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Post by Tailsnake on May 15, 2006 4:38:52 GMT -5
Hmm... Crocodile vs Opression, shear, this'll be an interesting match
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Post by shearx on May 15, 2006 18:17:15 GMT -5
no it won't
here's a preview:
Oppression flies up into the air like a retard, hoping flight will gve it an advantage. He falls back to thje ground, completeky drained of energy... and Croc takes full advantage, deftly blowing the dumbfounded Crest version of Oppression out of the water. What a sad match this was...
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Post by Tailsnake on May 15, 2006 18:50:52 GMT -5
Yay, round three here I come - I just can't wait to see how eneru does, it's one of my favourite designs now
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Post by Moon Walker on May 15, 2006 19:00:34 GMT -5
You know, you should never underestimate your own creation, if you built it then atleast give it some love, "The obvious isn't always true."
hmm, which reminds me, are we really going to take this betting seriously? I don't think we'd gain anything good from it, because the ones betting might end up broke and the winner rich without earning it.
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Post by Tailsnake on May 15, 2006 19:06:02 GMT -5
It's too late now since the tourny already started but I plan to do it for the next tourny (which will hopefully take place after my exams).
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Post by Moon Walker on May 15, 2006 19:10:27 GMT -5
next tourny, huh?
I think I have an idea for the next tourny.....
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Post by AtrumCustodis on May 15, 2006 19:13:23 GMT -5
Ok I now know I'm not getting anything out of this tourney. Ominia has no defense against a Hohshi. And I'm suspecting to two Hohshi ACs to be the final ACs.
I know people would probably not like this but I think the Hohshi should be baned from future Tourneys and from the League for the same reason I said we should not allow people to earn the right to use the LX as a reward. Because the only way to counter it is to use Dual Siren2s. This would change all ACs into 3 categories. Hohshi-Users, Anti-Hoshi-Users, And those who don't want to change their ACs.
So the League turns into a Rock Paper Siccors Game. Hohshi-Users beat the non changed, the Aniti-Hohshi-Users beats the Hoshi-Users, and the Non changed beats the Anti-Hohshi.
You my be saying their aren't that many Anti-Hohshi-Users. Well then that means it goes to Hohshi-Users being at the top everyone else at the bottom. Will be making them to stop from losing their place or if stuck behind one will have to change into an Anti-Hohshi to continue rising the ranks.
So far the only ACs I saw that beaten a Hohshi-User was Anti-Hohshi-Users and the one match I did with the Hohshi vs LX. I think the LX should totally be banned as well. Not just for Beta League. These are the ONLY parts I have seen that are Over-Powerful.
You may say the right hand Grenade may be over-powerful but decent Shell DEF and Cooling can counter that. The only time it becomes to over-powerful is if you use the inside Napalm with it. Then its not a over-powerful weapon. Its 2 weapons that work off of each others strengths. Which is a part of AC building. Using part combinations that work well with each other.
EDIT: I am not just saying all of this becuase I think Ominia will lose and I want her to win. Heck, her most original form was that of a Hohshi-user. It was just the idea of the Hohshi turning the tide of an entire tourney that promt me to write this.
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Post by Tailsnake on May 15, 2006 19:17:41 GMT -5
I've made the arguement for a Hoishi ban already - I just don't think shear wants to get rid of it ...
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Post by ninja-cobalt on May 15, 2006 19:24:27 GMT -5
I hate the hohshi -_- damnit, i KNEW i shouldnt have made more nimble sniper ACs xD
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Post by AtrumCustodis on May 15, 2006 19:27:52 GMT -5
btw Baka, congrats on being a Mod! lol
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Post by Moon Walker on May 15, 2006 19:40:04 GMT -5
why not ban all left arm weapons ( such as guns like bazookas, rifles grenades... not blades and shields ) and insides, by then there shouldn't be much problems.
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Post by Tailsnake on May 15, 2006 19:50:08 GMT -5
Too extreme...
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Post by Moon Walker on May 15, 2006 20:04:55 GMT -5
well, if I'm not mistaken, it is the arm weapon combinations that makes a part overpowered and not, for example, the 81G has low ammo, using left arm weapons makes it the main threat, BP is over powered by itself, LX can be, can huh, be powerful alone but not all the time if not paired with a left arm weapon.
So as I see it, it is the left arm weapons that gives the right arms and back weapons the boost needed to make powerful.
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Post by ninja-cobalt on May 15, 2006 20:13:38 GMT -5
what happened? im a mod? when the hell did this happen?
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Post by Moon Walker on May 15, 2006 20:16:13 GMT -5
heh heh, Atrum was too busy with life and stepped down giving you the crown.... that rhymed.
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Post by ninja-cobalt on May 15, 2006 20:24:14 GMT -5
So the League turns into a Rock Paper Siccors Game. Hohshi-Users beat the non changed, the Aniti-Hohshi-Users beats the Hoshi-Users, and the Non changed beats the Anti-Hohshi. Im going to go out of my way to prove you wrong on this.
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Post by AtrumCustodis on May 15, 2006 20:40:51 GMT -5
LOL I was waiting for him to notice.
EDIT >< this post was meant for the "When did I become a mod?!" post lol
Besides that, yes there will always be exceptions. Some ACs will be able to continue through the league like normal but then the majority of them will not. Thats what I'm talking about. It changes the tide of battle too much were ONLY the Great Big Fishes can progress. Then all the slightly smaller ones will be swiped away.
The greats ones will continue to the top, they would be able to get there anyway. But if you get a luke-warm AC with Hohshi getting past all the other ACs because they don't have 1200+ECM. Thats were it has to stop. They are getting by on a technicality, Not everyone will have 1200+ ECM. Its imposable to have unique ACs that will do well if they are forced into having to change something in order to survive. Eventually this restriction will cut what is possible with the ACs.
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Post by Purist on May 15, 2006 21:13:46 GMT -5
Well, I already have ideas for the next tourney, and I'm definitely going to consider asking shear if I can ban the Hohoshi from the tourney (if I get the tourney to go official) so that matches will be more interesting, and people won't be as discontent.
Even if it's not me who gets to host the next tourney, I think the Hohoshi SHOULD be banned from future tourney's, just like the LX.
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Post by ninja-cobalt on May 15, 2006 21:28:36 GMT -5
LOL I was waiting for him to notice. So... should I start doing beta2 matches then?
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Post by Shark on May 15, 2006 21:31:41 GMT -5
I think anytime soon is good; the matches are piling up I think?
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Post by Purist on May 15, 2006 21:36:41 GMT -5
Yeah, cobalt. I'm trying to wrap up the Crest bracket as we speak! So I'm a bit tied up right now, and I'd appreciate it if you can start doing some battles (I'm assuming you have time). Thanks and welcome to the crew!
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Post by Tailsnake on May 15, 2006 21:52:49 GMT -5
Can't wait to see how Croc does
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Post by Purist on May 15, 2006 22:00:34 GMT -5
Almost done with them, guys, then we head to the semi's!
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Post by ninja-cobalt on May 15, 2006 22:25:49 GMT -5
Mhmmm.... lets see what we have in store...
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Post by Purist on May 15, 2006 22:30:20 GMT -5
BunBunXpress v. Sushiboy
Grid 1: BunBunXpress Grid 2: Sushiboy
This match was a plain shooting spree; the two AC’s were just firing wildly at each other, with no apparent strategy. Sushiboy was not aggressive as BBX, as BBX chased Sushiboy around the map, firing frenziedly. Sushiboy didn’t falter, and returned shots of its own with the same speed and accuracy. Sushiboy had been using the Hohoshi this whole time, but it hardly fazed BBX, as BBX had over 1000 V ECM points, while Sushiboy was under 1000. This proved to be the deciding factor, as BBX’s higher defense and equal firepower was able to dominate Sushiboy with relative ease.
Length: 27s Grid 1 Final AP: 1314 Grid 2 Final AP: 0 Winner: BunBunXpress ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
Benvolio v. bz-OVERLORD
Grid 1: Benvolio Grid 2: bz-OVERLORD
This match was as simple as BBX v. Sushiboy; it was an endurance match. The two AC’s were at dangerously close range at each other, exchanging deadly blows with their bazookas. Although Hohoshi’s were released onto the field from both AC’s, it did not play a significant role, if it ever had one, because both AC’s came prepared to defend against it. OVERLORD had the speed advantage, and though it lacked defense, was able to circle Benvolio and get successful hits more than its bulkier opponent. But when Benvolio DID get a chance to hit OVERLORD, huge amounts of AP were gashed off. The battle was at its climax, as both AC’s AP shot down to near 1000 apiece. Benvolio hits OVERLORD with a bazooka shot, while OVERLORD retaliated with four bazooka shots fired simultaneously from its quad-barrel arms. Not all of them hit Benvolio, but Benvolio lost around half of its remaining AP. Benvolio then completely lost OVERLORD, and began backing up in an attempt to lock on to its speedy opponent. It did find OVERLORD, but before it had a chance to fire, 4 more bazooka shells came its way, and Benvolio was defeated.
Length: 31s Grid 1 Final AP: 0 Grid 2 Final AP: 759 Winner: bz-OVERLORD
Crocodile v. Oppression
Grid 1: Oppression Grid 2: Crocodile
Oppression started the battle off by boosting high into the air (it’s oh-so-classic-move, shear), and began to fire rapidly at Crocodile below. Learning from its previous matches, Oppression finally made good use of its high-boosting AI to zip around the air to dodge quite a number of Crocodile’s shots. It was THE sight to behold. BUT, unfortunately, Oppression was soon struck down by a nade+rifle shot, overheating it immediately. Crocodile would then repeatedly pound Oppression with its two guns. As a result, Oppression went into charging mode, once again. BUT, once again, Oppression took the upper hand on the ground, firing a storm of rifles shells at Crocodile. Crocodile could not return a single shot; it was seemingly frozen on the ground while taken an endless barrage of rifle shots from Oppression. Oppression quickly closed in on Crocodile’s AP. Oppression’s energy finished charging up by this time, and it was airborne once again. It boosted so high into the air this time that it almost went out of the bounds (I’m serious) trying to dodge Crocodile’s shots. Although Oppression gained the height advantage once again, it proved to be a disadvantage this time around, as Crocodile shot it down once more, striking it with a napalm rocket for the first time. Oppression had less than 500 AP left at this point, and being enveloped by flames, it became cannon fodder for the vicious predator.
Length: 47s Grid 1 Final AP: 0 Grid 2 Final AP: 2801 Winner: Crocodile
Crocodile gets the auto-advance, and BunBunXpress will face off with bz-OVERLORD in the Semifinals match.
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