Questions, anyone?

[shearx]

Ask away with any questions you may have, whether it be regarding the leadue setup, how it will be conducted and initialized, or any questions that a newb might answer.

keep in mind that many questions have already been answered in goldensunfighter's help topic in the ACFF board on gamefaqs.

here is the link just in case:
boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=920795&topic=25671403

[dartus]

I was thinking that we could have a seed system for the tournament. I used to play in a competition called certamen, which is a latin quiz-bowl kind of game (two teams, really hard questions, nerdy stuff.) and before all the actual games, the teams would take a test of some sort to estimate the strongest and the weakest. That way, the 2 strongest teams would not compete in the first round, and it gives the weaker teams a little more of a chance.

Example (for clarification purposes):
Teams: A,B,C,D,E,F
Teams ranked by simple test (highest scorers to lowest):
F, E, D, C, B, A

Matches:
A vs F (strongest vs. weakest)
E vs B (2nd strongest vs 2nd weakest)
D vs C (etc.)

Now, this gets wierd once you are down to three people, but examples only go so far. Basically, however, team D has a good advantage because, although it did not score well, it is matched against a team only 1 level above it. The lowest scoring team would have the hardest time pulling off a miracle, because they would be against the hardest opponent.

[dartus]

Or we could use a ranking system like the one in the game. Actually, I think that would be really good. Maybe we could use the tournament results to place everyone in a ladder, and then go from there. We could use the individual challenge system, and we could also have tournaments to "rearrange" a section of the ladder, like battles for the top 5, 6-10, etc.

[Tailsnake]

The ranking system in the game is horrible. If you use that we'll end up having unbalanced S and A ranked ACs at the top while B and C ranked ACs that could easily take them down would be ranked lowly.

[Silence]

Plus rematches would suck, editing my AC to handle the next fight and losing the new spot I got because the guy I just took a spot from guessed a good guess at what I was gonna do for my next match.

[shearx]

in order to avoid any unfair battles, the ranking will be as follows:

-Initial placememt is based upon the tournament results

-For those ACs that are submitted but not in the tournament, they will battle against a weak AC, and their place ment will be based off how long it took to destroy it and how much AP they had remaining

-Newcomers to the league automatically start at the bottom.

-While the ranking system would be similar to the one in the games, there will be a few differences

--Each AC can have two AI setups: One for the next match, and one to defend it's current position
--In the case of the #1 ranker, the AC has only one AI setup

-Each AC can challenge only once every few days.

-A higher ranked AC can challenge any other AC below it, but if they lose, the higher ranked AC loses one rank automatically. The AC that wins stays at their current position


There's probably more than that, but that's all I can think of right now.

If there any problems, just let me know

[gasu]

But see The in game rule that higher rank has to take the offer from lower ranks isn't a good one.For one like you said Shear in your rules a High rank AC can challenge other AC lower then it what would stop him from picking on the rank 30 or how long it goes.Do you get what I'm saying and i would like to know if we going on a point system like for every win you get a point.

[dartus]

By the in-game ranking system I meant the ladder/challenge system, not the EDCBAS system. Also, the ability for a higher-level to challenge any lower level means that they can control the ladder with only a minor risk. Since the top few tend to switch places often in ladders like this, losing one place really wouldn't hurt much. Maybe we should divide it up into sections, where the top 5 would be in one group, 6-15 in another, etc. That way the pros can't control the rest of us, and we can focus on moving up to another group instead of just moving up to the top. When I was starting off, I thought there would be more than 2 rank levels, so that once I got to the top of one, I could start off at the bottom of the next level up. It helps to create a feeling of accomplishment as well as a potent challenge.

Anyway, here is my suggestion:
1-5: Top Rank Ladder
6-15: High Rank Ladder
16-25: Regular Rank Ladder
26 and below: Bottom Rank Ladder

Also, there could be requirements for moving up to another level such as:
Number of Battles
Number of Wins
Number of Successive Wins
Number of Wins with a Single, Unmodified Mech

And my last suggestion is to have a free arena, where anyone can ask anyone else for a non-ranked battle. This way, we could still fight each other to see how we perform, but without having to be at certain ranks. Also, this could help upper-levels show lower-levels "what a good AC looks like." Anyway, just my suggestions.

[shearx]

I like that idea. Much better than my own. Generally I try to encompass all aspects, but apparently, that won't work this time.

Anyway, here is my suggestion:
1-5: Top Rank Ladder
6-15: High Rank Ladder
16-25: Regular Rank Ladder
26 and below: Bottom Rank Ladder

Also, there could be requirements for moving up to another level such as:
Number of Battles
Number of Wins
Number of Successive Wins
Number of Wins with a Single, Unmodified Mech


This will be the model for the league. However, it m ay be changed a little...

[Sinner2000]

sounds cool, nice ideas dartus

[dartus]

Glad to help! Also, I have an idea for preventing major modifications, while still allowing minor ones. Perhaps for the upper levels only, or perhaps for all of the league, we could have a rule that you can have a certain amount of "spare parts". That is, you will be allotted a certain number of parts you can swap out at any time, except between the time you are challenged and the actual challenge. Now, I don't want to take control of the league, as that is definitely a better job for Shear or DarkEffigy, but I do want to make this as fun and fair as possible.

[shearx]

I have already worked out the major modification thing. check here:

armoredcoreff.proboards46.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1139331286

[king bun bun]

another thing, on league matches (just to make it fair), i was wondering if a non affiliated party should do the match to make sure its actually fair. and second thing. no swamping. i mean lets limit official challenges to like 5 at one time. to keep things in order.

[existence17]

I am new just joined a couple minutes ago, I have some design's I wanted tested out,can u tell me where I can post them ?.Also I was wondering how do I uptain karma points?

[hinatasou]

you can post your designs at armoredcoreff.proboards46.com/index.cgi?board=designers
if you want us to test them, you can post at gamefaqs board and ask politely.

karma just ask the moderators here for some. karma doesnt really do anything. you dont need to worry about it.

[existence17]

Thank you I'm sorry if I appered rude at any time.

[Tailsnake]

You didn't seem rude at all, he just meant that you should ask politely on the Gamefaqs.com AC:FF board if you want somebody to test your AC.

[existence17]

I do have a design i want to be tested its at boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=920795&topic=26672060 at the bottom. I do have more designs but i want to enter them in the league matches first.

[icarus1]

how do the tournaments it is people across the world so is it with wi-fi or does someone post an ac and a a referee type person watches the fight and says who won..how does that work

[Tailsnake]

It's the latter

[icarus1]

whats a latter

[Tailsnake]

The second thing you said

[icarus1]

o the referee type person

[Tailsnake]

Yes

[hinatasou]

someone posts an ac (tourney topic) and a trusted referee type person watches the fight and describes the progress of the fight in detail and who won